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Message started by C-GARL on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 10:54am

Title: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 10:54am
Good day everyone.  :)
It has been a long time since I posted anything on my good old flying club site.
Not much was happening due to El Corona, COVID-19. So, I decided to start a new project but first I had to build it a hangar.  ;) Just a small 24’x24’ with 10’ ceiling to ensure the tail would fit in.  :)
I mentioned to my lovely wife my new airplane project and she was all in and happy for me.  :o Problem was the questions I got when building material started to show up in the driveway.  :-? So, no longer a hangar but a garage for the car, camper trailer and RC cargo trailer.  :(
So, here below picture is the start of a new toy. For the moment, I will call this the El Second Wave 21 (ESW21).  :-?  See if you can tell what it will be. Just a small hint, Black Friday.  :-X
Stay tuned for more pics and update as I progress with the construction.

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Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by FLC astroflyer on Dec 23rd, 2020 at 5:45pm
Well, it's gonna have two large fans so I'm guessing f-18  If that doesn't work F-15!   

Everything looks straight so far. 

we want more photos!

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Dec 30th, 2020 at 3:22pm
Well, Al, wrong of the model type. :'(
Hint #2: Feb 1959 :-/
I was going to put in two 90mm fans but turns out two 70mm units will do the job as seen on the E-FLITE SU-30. so, placed to order and now awaiting for the parts. them back order stuff. :'( :'( :'( well, good thing I have salted caramel Crown Royal to pass the time :P
here are more picture of the plane.
slow progress but with COVID-19, who needs to rush anything.
so, in order to ensure trust would be strait out I had to replace F9 with F9. as you can see, with F9 the trust pipe would have pointing up. I will be adding two tail pipe make of foam with the pipe reducing from 70mm at the fan to 60mm at the end of the tail pipe.
I will ensure the intake is somewhat larger by squaring off the opening.

my wife came down the work shop this morning to check on the progress.
first thing she said to me was nice looking boat.  :-? I had to remind her I am building a plane.  ;)

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Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by Glen on Dec 30th, 2020 at 8:44pm
Looks awfully avro-ish to me.

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by Bill on Dec 30th, 2020 at 9:38pm
...silent night, holy night, it's a blooming Arrow..!!!

Bill

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Dec 31st, 2020 at 8:59am
Correct, it is the Avro Arrow from Mark Demonte.
he designed the plane as a pusher.
WS 50"
length 72"
Fan 70mm 12 blade
motor 2680-1850Kv

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by Bill on Dec 31st, 2020 at 2:46pm
Well, you certainly got my attention..!

Good luck on the build, we will be watching ....and Yes, that was a very very black Friday back in '59 when Dief, the Chief blew up the Arrow program ..! 

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Jan 8th, 2021 at 12:20pm
got my new tool to help with building my planes.
still require sheet metal plate but I will have to wait for Trump to be in jail  :o and Covid-19 to be under control.  ;)
these will come real handy when I start wing construction.  [smiley=beer.gif]
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Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by Bill on Jan 8th, 2021 at 6:37pm
Wow..100 beauties...! 
Trying to imagine the shipping weight & cost.. don't get on the wrong side of those guys, might be impossible to get unstuck....hope you have no 'stainless pins in you. And don't get near them with a pacemaker... ;D ;D

Joking aside ...should make for excellent alignment.


Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Jan 9th, 2021 at 11:18am
Lol. Not to worry. :)
Free shipping on amazone body. $70.00. ;)

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Jan 19th, 2021 at 1:41pm
Got some small progress done on the bird.
front end is shaping up a little. nose cone will be one of the last step.
hatch will be held in place with two small magnet (not the ones I just got).
the plan calls for a #10 SIG canopy, I have a #10 Great Plane one, should do the job just fine.
note the air intakes. Had to fill in behind the cockpit as the former was laser cut to 85mm. it will be squared off as detailed by the lines (if they can be seen). The opening area will be big enough to accommodate twin 70mm EDF.
Not closing the top of the fuse until the retracts are installed. found what seemed to be appropriate in Horizon Hobby. Took another look at them this morning and boom, gone, nothing that I could use.
had in mind the 25-40 size or 60-120 size with oleo.
accepting any recommendation on what retracts I could use.
every thing gets on the scale. my wife ask where her scale was and I replied, with a smile, crushed by a plane honey. slept on the sofa that night. current weight is 539 grams, 1.188 Lbs for the baby boomers.
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Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by FLC astroflyer on Feb 8th, 2021 at 2:43pm
Looking pretty nice Alain!

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Feb 24th, 2021 at 2:18pm
Thanks Al, it look almost as good as me.   ;)

Well, it has been a while since I updated the progress. Don’t blame me, it is my boss fault, he keeps giving me work to do. I told him to slow down so I can work on my plane........hope I still get paid next week.  :-/

More modification to the build from the original plan.  :o
Decided to make one big hatch to open up the inside. I used R1 to make the two middle ribs, remove R2 and use R3 to make the outside walls of the hatch. Introduced some spars to solidify everything and voila. The Fin is not yet glued as I will soon start the rudder. One rudder is done and set in place I will be in a better situation to glue the fin properly.
I am using the aluminum tubing from an old car snow brush. Whit not, recycling is always a good idea.

Still waiting for the wood and EDF units I order by on xmas eve from G.H.
Don’t know what happen but I logged into AliExpress for the first time and ordered tricycle retracts and oleo. Hope that crap will be good stuff.  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
As for the battery compartment, it will have to be done during CG process and before the covering is applied.  ;) :) :) :)
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Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 5:01pm
Spring is not coming fast enough to melt the snow. so, me wife an I cam up with a plane. it work well but not fast enough for spring to show up.
progress on the plane. it looks more like a plane the a boat my wife said. I'll keep her after all. :-*
left wing construction and set up on the fuse for a quick look. I will definitely require a wing tube.  ;)
retracts and oleo on the way in from AliExpress. I may have time to retire before they come in. EDF was ordered back xmas eve and i thing they will be here just before it is time for me to move into a senior home.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
got to love those back order stuff.
Happy March 2021 everyone.  ::)
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Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Mar 27th, 2021 at 5:50pm
Good day guys. Long time no post but i was out of comission due to a small slip on the ice. Concossion and Fractured T3 & T4 got me to stay away from the project. Always look on the bright side. While in ER, 4 hot looking nurse took my pants off and my wife was smilling. 🤣

So, my retrack from CCP came in and not too bad either. 2 sets of 169mm long oleo are also looking goodmy two 70mm EDF and motors also came in. Those eflight EDF units don't seem to be the greatest ting since slice bread. They are the same as found in the EFLIGHT SU-30. Time will tell.

So, stay tuned (for newfie bullet, stay off the beer) for more pics and info as i should ease my way back to the shop. That is as lonf as my loving lady does not notice me being gone.

Linette mentioned this morning i started glowing in the dark. Too many X-ray session i think.  ;D ;D ;D :D :D :-[

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Apr 9th, 2021 at 2:00pm
TGIF everyone.  ;)
wings are coming along very well.
slow, very slow progress as I am unable to stand still working on plane for too long.
Next step is the installation of the retracts. :)
then the servo mounts. :D

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Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by FLC astroflyer on Apr 9th, 2021 at 3:44pm
Looking very nice Alain!  The wings, not you!  lol

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by Newfie Bullet on Apr 10th, 2021 at 7:44pm
Are those wooden wing dowels going to be retained with wing bolts??? ;D

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Apr 11th, 2021 at 8:07am
Thank you Al.
Your girlfriend says hi. :-?  ;)

To my favorite Newfie, yes man. Wing bolts and i will need you too. I'll need a wing nut and you fit the requirement. ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by Newfie Bullet on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:24pm
Dear Alain,
you will need more than a wing nut(like myself) to retain those wing bolts(if they get installed...Al has a video of how to install wing bolts)my friend :D

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Apr 13th, 2021 at 8:29pm
ROFLMAO
U R my favorite Newfie :D

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Apr 23rd, 2021 at 11:40am
Progress, slow progress but never the less, progress.

I am using a 0.5" aluminum wing tube.
the problem was how to set the wing and fuselage with a nice tube. well, I figure I would make my own. so it tried with Dollar store cardboard using two layer and scotch tape. that proved to be a bad idea. It was so tight that it broke when I tried to pull it off the tube. So, I decided to try something different. I wrapped the tube with a layer of parchment paper, then I wrapped that with a 1 inch strip of cardboard the I wrapped the entire thing with several layer of half  oz. fiberglass fabric. Mixed up some 30 minutes epoxy and used robbing alcohol  to dilute it to a watery level. Using a foam brush to apply the mixture was the perfect way to keep my fingers clean.
Note the Newfie Bullet guys (Wing Nut) keeping the  wings to the main body. Thank you Craig for the great idea.
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Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by Newfie Bullet on May 1st, 2021 at 4:09pm
Looking good Alain.

Al...we will have to do a wing spar video now ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by FLC astroflyer on May 2nd, 2021 at 2:02pm
Lol Craig!! 

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on May 6th, 2021 at 10:24am
Craig, you are a funny man.
Well, just to be sure the wings stays in place I decided to included some craig-wingnuts ;). they will maybee stay in place during flight. :-/
Anyway, here is what she looks like with the main LG on. no Craig, the front one won't be like that. I have to install it properly. :o
EDF installed they big enough. if not, I will be replace them with two Binford 2000, 80mm ones.
CG is approximately 1/2 inch aft of the craig-wingnuts.
currently sitting at 2252g/5.56 LBS. this includes the rudder, ailerons and elevators.
time to buy some more wood to finish it.
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Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by FLC astroflyer on May 7th, 2021 at 1:21pm
Alain, do I see glow plug holes in those fans?  lol

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on May 7th, 2021 at 3:57pm
:-?sure thing body. those are for the electric after burners.   ;) ;D

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by Newfie Bullet on May 11th, 2021 at 8:41am
Progress looks good Alain. You should double up on the wing nuts just in case.
:D

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Sep 24th, 2021 at 2:31pm
Now that the summer vacation are over  :'( and the flying season is slowing down  :(, it was time to progress with the build.  ;)
Got the nose cone done. I used some pink foam from Home Depot to shape it as good as I could. Covered it with 5 coat of water based varnish, wax it 5 time then applied 3 layer of 1oz fiber glass. Not perfect but good enough for a retired sailor. :o ;) :)

Made gear doors for the front wheels. Next is the pain of figuring out how it will all work.
I may take an idea I saw on a beach craft plan I have. Trying to avoid installing a servo.

Once that is done, front wheel steering servo will be installed.

Sitting on the ground, it will look like the real thing…..kind of ::). This should give you an idea of angle of attack. Something else I could say but I fear I would get in trouble, so I am keeping quiet for a change.  :D ;D ;)

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Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by Wright Flyer Zach on Sep 25th, 2021 at 2:09am
So what's the name of the airplane?

Title: Re: Winter 20/21 Project
Post by C-GARL on Sep 26th, 2021 at 8:35am
It is the Avro arrow.

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